“We spoke to Gema Alava. She told us all about her career, which includes multiple forms of art, as well as lecturing, writing, and being an advisor to the United Nations. We also talked about the concept of contradictory truths, boundaries to protect our values, redefining ambition by separating ourselves from other’s opinions, and her favorite quote.”
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-27-ambitious-women-series-with-gema-alava/id1519033610?i=1000525114001